Tempest in a pizza box 13/09/07

So I just read the now locked 'query' thread, and now i'm gonna serious up TNP's fluff thread, since i can't reply there.

Tempest. Fucking. Teapot.

For christ's sake. The facts have been laid out a few dozen times already, yet people either refuse to acknowledge them, or just start making shit up.

There were two hanging out threads. I have no idea where the "the morals thread was interesting" bit comes into play, because the morals thread wasn't on the page at that time. Don't believe me?

Pizza threads were started at and around 19:15 on Sept 14. Morals thread was started on Sept 13 (over a full day to run its course at that point, it had been given more than a chance), and no one bumped it off the page, because it wasn't on active topics page. Timestamps on posts tell that story -- it had been off the active topics page since 12:34, when the last post was made to it. It didn't come back up until limper went digging and bumped it, with the ever topical "at least it's not pizza" comment, at 20:01.

Timestamps would indicate that was that clearly a malicious bump. I'm also quite sure that hijacking a thread for malicious reasons is violating the spirit too. I look forward to this little brouhaha being over, so we can get to talking about that.

Which threads were active at the time?

http://bondage.com/p/2/topic_id/248932/forums/topic.html
This was not one of the two on the active topics page. It was, however, the first thread that came up when one clicked on 'hanging out' (from active topics). Since spankslut bumped her own birthday thread (for a birthday two days before), i'm pretty sure she's not going to have a meltdown at the tidal wave.

First thread
This was one. It was posted at 17:53, and had 3 replies by the time pizza frenzy started. Two from the same person (limper), and one by the OP, okiniiri. Since we've had numerous instances of the "nothing is protected on the internet, watch what you say or do here" variation of threads, i think it's safe to assume that that's why it didn't have a wealth of responses this time. Simply put - an interested thread, but hardly meaty enough to sustain actual interest.

BTW, Oki happens to be one of those dirty av-ers, so i'm sure that must be the reason she's not having a seizure over being pre-empted. Actually, she's been in AV since, and laughed over pizza. That's probably because she's too hurt to talk about it, though.

Other thread.
This, i suspect, is where the tea storm is coming from. This is limper's thread, the other thread sitting on the Active Topics page, under Hanging Out.

I read it. I had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and since it sounded like one of those inside jokes, i moved on. I've come to learn that subwithoutaclue has something about diamonds on the ground in her sigline, that one other poster in a thread with SWaC commented on the diamonds, and then that thread was started by limper.

Obviously it is an inside joke. Fair enough, i'm not willing to extend the ban on fun to no inside jokes. But when i don't get it? It's snarky and unproductive to post to someone else's fun thread with "i don't get it. What are you talking about? Is this a private joke?", so i refrained from posting.

It looks as though others felt the same way i did, since there were no posts to it at all until the pizza frenzy started. Then, the two big complainers in this epic little saga, made sure the thread came alive, by posting to it. It got a few posts after that, though it still hasn't hit a full page. Still - two days later.

I guess no one understands the profundity of the topic. That, or the dirty av-ers have started a campaign against limper, and the whole site's in on it.

Clearly, the forum was beyond dead. It was worse than dead - it was exclusionary. I'd already said happy birthday to spankslut, so i was pretty much excluded from taking part in that thread (yeah yeah, i can't post whenever whatever i want, but there was no point. I'd said it already). I couldn't post to limper's topic, because i had no fucking clue what he was talking about. The thread, quite obviously, wasn't intended for me, so instead of disrupting it, i just walked away and figured "meh, the people who get that'll have a right good time in there. Fair 'nuff".

Yeah, i could have posted to the internet security thread, but honestly...it wasn't interesting to me, and i've posted to those threads dozens of times already. Besides, i'm aware of no rule that says "thou must post to all active topics before starting a new topic". I mean -- that's why one starts a new topic - because the old ones aren't stimulating anything.

Pizza was stimulating. You bet, there was a frenzy, you bet it overtook those other topics, and you bet, it got a whole lot of focus. As lulubel said, she was sitting there, looking for something to do. She saw pizza frenzy, thought "wtf? hahaha, ok this'll be fun", and joined in. She's not an av-er. Borealis, reckless abandon, olsg, cat o' eight tails, wind_of_change, and numerous others are also not av-ers and they joined in the fun, not only posting to current threads, but starting some of their own.

Hanging Out was not only active, it was true to its name. People hung out - people that have never really interacted together before. I know i had no clue who borealis was, before the 100th post thread. Now, i do, and we've shared a laugh and a "hiya, welcome and congrats!". We are supposed to be welcoming and including the n00bs, yeah?

Seriously? This is fucking retarded already. Beyond fucking retarded. This is no longer about moderation, or even over moderation, because it's long past anything resembling moderate. We've hit police state, where the whiniest five or six children are setting the day care rules for the other 200 kids, because they aren't getting the spoiling they so richly deserve. "Teacher! No one wants to play with me, make them play with me!" is rewarded with a "yes darling, you there, you kids, play with this kid right now!". "Teacher, johnny said he doesn't like my pen, he hates me! Make him say sorry and be nice to me!" is responded to with "Johnny, billy's pen is a lovely pen, and we are all going to admire billy's pen as a group, or you're going to have to go to another daycare".

And "teacher, i think no one likes me and they're all going out of their way to not let me play with them or be their friend" is being met with "you know, you just might be right there, no worries, i'll tell those big bad meanies to smarten up and be nice and play with you. Then they'll love you!", instead of the far saner approach of "grab your glove and ask if you can be second base. Better still, just go stand in the field and catch one. People love a joiner "

'Cause i'll just say it straight up, for what it's worth? You whiners - and of course we know who you are, you've outed yourself without katiej's help - nobody likes a pissy kid who thinks he's entitled, and i, for one, sure as hell have no interest in making nice with you. You bitches are interfering with MY use and enjoyment of the site's resources (now's a good time to point out that while there was one full page and 4 posts on a second page of pizza threads, and yes there are screen caps i believe, those threads averaged a page and a half. 20ish posts. Tidal wave indeed), with your incessant fucking "me me me". Seriously. Cut it the fuck out.

I'm goddamned tired of hearing that "interfering with the use" clause, but only when it's convenient. I'm tired of having that thrown in people's faces, time and again, as justification for 'cut it out', yet hearing from the other side of someone's mouth that "yes, i know this is a kink site, yes, i know it's a site based on tolerance and 'all are welcome', but the homophobes and racists have a right to their enjoyment as well, and can speak freely".

Tell me, moderation, do you HONESTLY think that a page full of pizza threads taking over a birthday thread, a "the net's not private" and a private joke is going to turn newbies off the site and drive away valuable contributors....but the incessant ever-present moralizing, homophobic, closed minded, racist, and intolerant nonsense spouted in relationships, technique, politics, arts, support, and philosophy & religion are ok, because "it's an adult site, and people reading should know that we encourage free speech"?

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

Fun's not outlawed at b.com. Anything resembling common sense and maturity are.